Experiments with Orgone

by Mike Sententia on February 13, 2012

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There was some discussion of orgone in my comments recently. I’ve heard of it before, but never taken it seriously. Most of the orgone websites look like they’re from the 90s, and the underlying claims are just ridiculous. From Wikipedia:

Orgone was seen as a massless, omnipresent substance […] [It can] create organization on all scales, from the smallest microscopic units—called bions in orgone theory—to macroscopic structures like organisms, clouds, or even galaxies.

Reich’s theories held that deficits or constrictions in bodily orgone were at the root of many diseases

It goes on to claim that orgone can cure essentially any disease. These are the kinds inflated claims that keep people from taking magick seriously, and I didn’t want any part of it.

But, Ananael reports using his orgone generator to generate magical energy and charge talismans. I know Ananael, and I know his work, so I dug a little further.

From http://www.orgonite.info/what-is-orgonite.html

First: What is an orgone generator? It’s an electromagnet + orgonite. And what’s orgonite? From the one site that doesn’t look like a throwback to the nineties:

Basic orgonite is simply fiberglass resin, metal shavings and a quartz crystal

So, resin + metal (any kind, apparently) + quartz = orgonite. Then, you wrap an electromagnet around it, set to cycle at around 8hz, and that’s supposed to produce magickal energy. This still sounds dubious, but I’ll delay judgement until after some experiments.

I don’t have orgonite on hand. But I do have quartz, which is generally believed to do something with magickal energy. And I can confirm it does, from work in the late 90s with a psychic who loved crystals. If I had to guess, I’d guess that quartz is the active ingredient, and the metal and resin are inert. So I’ll start there.

Spoiler: I’ve already done some testing, and the results surprised me. (I’ve tried to capture my pre-test dubiousness in this post). I’ll start posting the results tomorrow.

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Mike Sententia February 13, 2012 at 10:51 AM

By the way, can anyone recommend an orgone generator (with the electromagnet) for under $50, preferably where you can open it up to get to the orgonite? Thanks!

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Andrew February 13, 2012 at 11:36 AM

That looks similar to something I came across a couple of years ago. There was this silly looking info flier for a new age bit of stuff. Basically you alternately layer organic and metallic materials around a rod or tube. It ends up looking like a wand. Then if you touch it and move your hand away it extends a connection that looks like light, but when you turn the lights off it doesn’t light anything up so it isn’t very impressive. Plus I never found any good use for it, maybe the quartz and magnetic field help.

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Mike Sententia February 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Exactly. There’s so much silliness around orgone that I’ve never taken it seriously. But from Ananael’s report, it looks like there might be a kernel of truth that the silliness grew around, which is worth a few tests to check out.

Did the wand make a magickal connection that you could see with your eyes? As in, it reflected light? Or am I misreading what the wand did?

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Andrew February 13, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Yeah that seems about right. The way it shows up is as a leaching of color in the connection, kind of milky looking. There is some difference between this connection and one formed by myself or a spirit, likely because this is just an energy field connecting to another over the most efficient physical distance.

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Mike Sententia February 13, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Thanks Andrew. I’m still trying to get clear on what actually happens. When you say it “shows up,” does that mean you see it like you’d see a piece of string? Or that you see it in your “mind’s eye,” similar to how you might see an aura? Or is there some sort of screen that shows you what’s going on? Or was this just the image in the advertisement’s photo? Thanks.

[Note: Scroll down for Andrew’s response]

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f3n1x_hvn732 February 13, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Thats not Orgonite. The original have only layers of materials. Inorganical and Organical. Is a “miniaturized” version of the accumulators of Reich. Here is a page with some experiments with accumulators (they don´t have quartz by the way, only layers of wood and steel or other metal).
http://www.orgonelab.org/research.htm
Also the DOR (deadly Orgone) was first studied in the Oranur experiment:
http://www.rexresearch.com/orgone/oranur.pdf
There was no quartz, only layers of metal and wood.

The orgonite was made by Welz with the model of these accumulators, but in miniature (with resin and metal shavings). Then when others thought it could increase the energy with quartz so they included it. The chi machines of Welz not have quartz either, only layers of metal and inorganic. But what produces energy is the pulses of opposed magnetic fields.

So the effects can be seen with only the layers, but the energy is better when you add the crystals.

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Mike Sententia February 13, 2012 at 1:58 PM

OK, I’m trying to get clear on this. The orgonite hypothesis is that interleaving plant material with metal produces some sort of energy? Is the width and thickness of the layers supposed to be important? And is it supposed to require the magnetic pulses?

Ananael, can you tell us about the orgonite in the generator you used?

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f3n1x_hvn732 February 13, 2012 at 2:53 PM

The layers not produce the energy, the energy is in the surroundings, it only accumulates it. To create new energy you need the fields. So the machine works this way:
1.-The orgonite “attracts” and accumulate the orgone energy.
2.-The Magnetic fields moves it to make it more useful (the motility makes the energy useful, if the energy in the surroundings is stagnate or negative the accumulators like orgonite only concentrates it, but if you gave mobility again it became useful and healthy).
3.-The pulses make the connection because of the radionics.

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Mike Sententia February 13, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Thanks. But I’m trying to get clear on the construction, not on the theory behind it. The website you pointed me to before said “Resin + metal + quartz,” and now you’re saying “Metal + wood, layered.” So, my question is, are there particular parameters for thickness and width of the metal and wood layers? And would you then apply a magnetic field or what? Thanks.

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Andrew February 13, 2012 at 2:24 PM

I see it with my regular, mundane eyes.

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Ananael Qaa February 13, 2012 at 4:18 PM

What’s going on here is that you’re talking about different versions of the technology. The metal-wood layering is what Reich used back in the 1950’s. The metal-filled resin is what people like Welz are using today in their orgone generators. The idea is that orgone energy is accumulated by metal-organic layering. In the orgonite material, this is accomplished by suspending metal particles in the resin rather than building a layered design. The pulsed magnetic field is new, too – Reich’s original tech was all passive and based on the layering methodology.

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f3n1x_hvn732 February 13, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Well the principle is that the orgone is around us. Organic materials store it, metallic materials attract it and repels it. Now the Orgone around us can be “healthy” or “not healthy” the not healthy is stagnated and was not discovered until the Oranur experiment (in between the layers the experimenters put radioactive materials). Its name is DOR and causes illness (in the Oranur experiments it caused cancer in rats and weakening of the experimenter staff so the accumulators were dissensabled).

Well, Reich also investigated that in zones of geopathic stress there are lots of DOR so he invented the cloudbusters to cure it and to make rain. Here some experiments with cloudbusters made by James DeMeo:
http://www.orgonelab.org/OROPAZ1989.htm
http://www.orgonelab.org/OROPIsrael1991.htm

The accumulators function by that principle, orgonite is made by that premises (the resin is the organic material, and the metal shivers the metal material). The crystals are for better “aligment” of the energy (some argue). With my personal experience orgonite works better with crystal than without it. Without it the energy is “unstable” with the crystals is more “directed” and “concentrated”.

Welz argue that two opposing electromegnetic fields moving to one direction to another can make the orgone “moves” so it can be “useful” for magick and more healthy than the stagnated one.

So the orgonite accumulates and concentrate the orgone around us and the magnetic fields make it move.

About the parameters, here is a page with them:
http://www.orgone.org/articles/ax2001-grnfld-aa.htm

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Kol Drake February 13, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Long long ago, Pat Flannigan wrote on pyramids and tensor fields. The whole, shape affects space concept I guess. Putting a glass of water on a ‘coaster’ created by superglueing glass marbles together made one kind of tensor field. An array of small pyramids was another ‘generator’. Later what looked like an early version of a fractal antenna for cell phones was a ‘generator’ when done with a basic Radio Shack printed circuit kit.

In the late late 80s and early 90s, I saw a few sites speaking about Reich and his ‘cloudbuster’. Which moved into making orgonite. Easy enough to make the basic ones — a nice large funnel (plug the small end), BBs, and resin. Pour, set, and ta dah. A nice cone of ‘stuff’. Heck some sites had them made in small dixie cups — for combating the ‘bad guy energy’ being emitted by those odd things masquerading as cell phone and microwave repeater towers.

Not done a load of testing on my ‘cone’. It’s been sitting on a table for almost 9 years now? Not really heard a peep out of it.

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Theona February 16, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Hi. I am interested in following your research on orgone as I have just started looking into it myself. I have found so far that people make these orgone devises to counter-act the effects of cell towers and high tension lines. The bigger ones are being used to call sylphs to disperse chemtrails, and some claim they use them to make it rain.
In 1986 I did a lecture at NY Health Expo on the quantum physics of healing tools. Way back then, I constructed copper/crystal wands which lit up the crystal with a AAA battery and a tiny bulb. They essentially ‘collected’ the sub atomic particles in the copper tube and could be focused (thought) out through the crystal point into the area that needed healing. They were meant to help healers ‘feel’ the energy flow of sub atomic particles until they were able to detect the energy flow without the device.
You may find Dr. Hulda Clark’s research interesting. There is a website that has all kinds of information on related topics (and unrelated topics). If you go to – http://educate-yourself.org/cn/huldaclarkbooks.shtml – and scroll down, there is an interview with Dr. Clark. There are also more topics than you may be ready for at the top and on their home site. Happy hunting!
Oh, and I will follow what you find out about orgone. Personally, I would use crystals in the mix, and don’t think I’ve seen one that doesn’t use crystals.
OK. I just ‘got’ that you need this link for a free download pdf of one of Dr. Clark’s books. – http://educate-yourself.org/hc/CureForAllCancers1993.pdf – don’t know if it is for you or for someone following your posts. Also, one of my favorites – from Natural News – Why Drs. Are more dangerous than guns
http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=0EDADA92DA486FA54A8367504DEE7244 – Hope these are helpful.

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Mike Sententia February 18, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Thanks, Theona. I’m not doing anything with orgone right now, but those resources might be useful later.

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